Anyone who can’t handle a word is most likely worthless in their contribution. If you worked a job and a coworker stopped working every time he heard the word “potato”, would you think his contribution was important? If a developer you were working with shut down his computer every time some one used a word they didn’t like, would their minimal contribution matter? No it really wouldn’t.
Here I am proposing we do literally anything else other than this to get minority developers and I’m the bad guy.
Put in some elbow grease and actually get something done for this goal or stop whining about words so you can virtue signal to the whole group. So far I’m at one whole minority developer added, how many have you added? How many people have you gone out of your way to teach?
If not that, then they’re probably a pain in the ass to work with if they’re more focused on their “social constructs” than the actual job. It’s usually a real joy to be around the perpetually offended, too.
In my personal case, I don’t turn off the computer or stop working because I hear a word (whatever it is). But I do advocate for more inclusive language.
One can work, contribute and at the same time be aware of the reality and complexity of language: it is a reflection of our culture/society/history.
By the way, I actively participate in OSS and education projects (you can go to my GitHub or LinkedIn). Falling into generalizations is wrong. You can’t think that if someone questions the way we speak he’s going to be a complete extremist.
Humans write software for humans. Your lack of empathy assures me that you don’t understand “the actual job”.
Based on your profile photo, I’ve probably been building software longer than you’ve been breathing oxygen, but sure, feel free to talk about “the actual job” like you know it better than I do.
You say this as if everyone finds your presence beneficial. I assure you this is not the case.
Well, I wasn’t going to keep score, but since you brought it up …
I’ve led workshops, taught classes, given conference talks, organized entire events, mentored over a dozen developers, and even volunteered for a Baltimore program called Code in the Schools. Many of these are specifically for folks who are not cisgender, straight, white men.
I literally devote my free time to people who didn’t get the education most of my coworkers were handed.
If you’re only at one, buddy you’ve got a whole lot of catching up to do.
Based on yours Id assume you don’t breathe oxygen at all lol. I’ve been in the game about 12 years myself. So I doubt that. I’ve been blessed with a young appearance.
But if you think “the job” is all sunshine and roses doing things to benefit others, I’m afraid it’s you who has a severe lack of awareness. Humans are still human. And business is still business. Take a look at the defense sector as an example. Not really sure what empathy has to do with the job.
But that’s getting kind of off topic. Tech is full of ideologues. And that’s what this whole thing is. About forcing an ideology down people’s throats under the guise of liberalism and inclusivity. It’s been going on for decades.
I’d hope not. That’d be weird. But I’m not going to play pretend activist and think I’m changing the world by assuming everything is racist and sexist.
You have shown several times in this thread alone that you can’t be bothered to pay attention to the words people are writing. I’m happy to keep letting you make a fool of yourself, though.
Here’s what I wrote:
That doesn’t say anything about my job being at all related to helping others, does it? My job isn’t workshops, conferences, event organizing, mentoring, or volunteering. My job is to build software. And I do that very well.
But it’s not a dichotomy. You don’t have to choose between being good at software and compassionate toward others. You can do both. I promise.
I’m unfortunately familiar with the defense sector. I worked in it for several years. Never again. Thankfully, the tech industry is so broad that that’s not a choice I’ll have to make.
What you’re describing is exactly what you’re doing. The fact that you can’t see that we really are simply trying to be inclusive is something you need to work on for yourself so you can stop projecting.
Nobody’s doing that here. This is a ridiculous strawman. Do better.
How exactly am I doing that? I’ve made no proposals. I’m not forcing anything on anyone. I’ve just given my opinion. If you read my earlier posts you’ll see that I’ve said the “master/slave” terminology is the only one that I think has a good argument for change. As for the rest, most of it’s a stretch. If the majority wanted the change and it were to happen, I wouldnt try reverting it lol. I don’t care that much.
And again, the inclusivity you speak of involves removing racist and sexist language that was never such. Some even want any gendered language removed. And here’s no such thing as an all encompassing inclusive. It never ends. The largest group of people pushing these changes are liberal white men ironically. And it goes far beyond tech. Inb4 it’s white peoples job. But, it is what it is. I’m not changing anyones mind. Merely giving my opinion.
That’s very good. Keep it up. We need more people doing this. I think that’s a lot more effective than changing a few nouns and pronouns.
I’ve led workshops, taught classes, given conference talks, organized entire events, mentored over a dozen developers, and even volunteered for a Baltimore program called Code in the Schools. Many of these are specifically for folks who are not cisgender, straight, white men.
Congrats on teaching people to code but I am talking about adding developers to Crystal, not whatever language you are teaching. Even beyond that, how many of those people came to learn because you don’t use the word “whitelist”? I’m going to guess a big fat zero.
Proposals like this do nothing to solve racism, but allow the people who advocate for the erasing of words to pretend like they are so much better than everyone else.
Grow up, no one is joining Crystal just because we don’t use what you people have deemed as, “non-inclusive language”. It’s insulting to minorities to think they would be so fragile. I guess that’s the real racism we need to beat right? The assumption that minorities are so fragile that even the sound of a word that might have the word “white” in it would cause them to run to the hills, is in itself pretty racist.
